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Hannity says he will do it for charity. I hope that happens since he feels it is little more than a fraternity prank (of course, he never went to college so I am uncertain how he would know about what fraternities do).Don't get me started
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If waterboarding someone would save your child's life, would you still be against it??
We're the only nation in the world who ties our hands behind our backs when fighting a war.
But I'm sure if we talk to these people nicely, they'll tell us what we need to know...
Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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The popular dodge to this is the "what if" torture would save someone immediately.
But the thing is, that is not the case here so it is a straw man issue. Torturing people to extract information about past and possible, but not certain, future events is what we are talking about here Darin.
I'll also dispute the tying the hands remark. There are a fair number of other civilized nations that do not participate in torturing people. We have decided to join the august group of nations that do torture. Places like the Soviet Union, North Korea, Uganda, Iran, Somalia, Rwanda,....
Yes, I am proud that the US is a part of this fine group.
You guys just do not seem to get, we are the GOOD guys, we are the ones who wag our fingers at the rest of the world and tell them that torture is bad. But you feel that it is OK as long as it is us doing it??
And you really need to do some research to find out that torture is widely accepted as the LEAST effective way to obtain reliable information. Honestly, you people need to understand that Jack Bauer is not reality.Don't get me startedComment
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Get over yourself, Bill... That's a simply rediculous thing to say... REALLY??? I couldn't tell the difference...
Now that 'august' group of countries thinks we're a bunch of pansies and are going to continue to push even harder against us... Nice work.
Have you guys actually READ the memos?? Those who would equate what they are calling "water boarding" to the water boarding the Japanese used in WWII are highly misinformed...
I'm not an advocate of torture. But this witch-hunt is rediculous, and being done like it is, is severly WEAKENING our standing in the world... This administration is all about how they LOOK to the rest of the world... especially our enemies or nations otherwise unfriendly toward the US... I don't really give a crap if Iran likes us... What I do care about, is that they don't get up enough sack to come over here and do anything about it.Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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As a Scot, yes I live in Canada but you will never take away my cultural background as the damage was done within my first 21 years
That type of torture is awfull. I am not against getting information but use other methods, such as sleep depreviation, the mind will break under these type of methods and yes this is a type of torture.
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Plus you will get good info, not just a person willing to say anything true or false to save their life
DouggieLast edited by Flying Scotsman; 04-23-2009, 04:31 PM.Comment
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yuo are a MORONIf waterboarding someone would save your child's life, would you still be against it??
We're the only nation in the world who ties our hands behind our backs when fighting a war.
But I'm sure if we talk to these people nicely, they'll tell us what we need to know...Comment
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Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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Lol, you guys are a funny bunch.Samuel Johnson - “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.” William Cooper "listen to everything, read everything, and believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research!"Comment
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Why is it that you always jump to the absurd when attempting to counter an argument?
For example (not one I have heard you use, it is simply illustrating my point):
A Conservate states: "I am against gay marrige."
The Liberal's absurd conclusion: "Oh, so you hate all gays and want them all to die."
No Bill, that just means he is against gay MARRIGE. The comment made no other assertions. Perhaps the conservative IS gay, and just doesn't believe in the marrige part.
The conclusion does not follow the original statement. Don't try to read something in there that isn't, just to prove your point of view.
Please do not let this thread go on about gay marrige, I only used that as an example.A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolvesComment
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Well it is incorrect to use examples which clearly do not apply, so I do not get your point.
Darin made it a point that his worry is that we are showing the world that we are "pansies" and therefore weak. Apparently only by inspiring fear, for example by using torture, can we hope to demonstrate our might and resolve.
On the issue of Gay marriage, when a conservative states: "I am against gay marriage." I generally ask "Why?" What I really hear being said is "I do not believe in equal protection under the law".
And to be perfectly clear on the issue, I think every single argument I have heard from conservatives on this issue is just flat stupid. And before we get into the "sanctity of marriage" nonsense you can talk to me about that when the divorce rate is below 50%. ANd you can talk about the "historical sense of marriage" when you can explain to me how it was once illegal for mixed race marriages, but now they are OK.
So again, what are you all so afraid of??Don't get me startedComment
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